“I’ve known Richard and Ali since our time doing music ministry outreach together at the Sydney Conservatorium of Music. Richard and I were both professional musicians in Sydney at the time: me, classical, and Richard, jazz. Phillip Jensen pulled us together to spearhead outreach ministry to musicians in the city of Sydney based out of St Andrews Cathedral and the ‘Con’. We saw a number of younger and older musicians impacted by the gospel during that time through Bible studies at the Opera House, various jazz venues, and through AFES evangelistic ministry at the Con. Many of the young musicians who were converted or involved in those ministries have now gone on to become Christian leaders in various places.